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that we have arrived at this particular status. it will basically move us into a single payer system. that has been the goal of the democrats from day one. we are for health care reform in a restrained, dignified, and good way. something about fiscal restraint hypocrisy. >> i spent weeks in the market trying to craft a health bill. this bill costs less, but it still costs. it is an expansion of government half of it is going to be paid for out of medicare. my seniors are saying, i thought medicare was already having troubles. if there's that much that can be saved, why doesn't the code to save medicare? the average person in wyoming
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that is not a senior says, i thought you were going to do something to help my health care costs. i am not opposed to helping out the poor and the uninsured, but i thought i was going to get something out of the deal older than free health care. that is where we are in the process right now. this needs to be done on a step- by-step basis. it can be done that way and it can be done in a bipartisan way. we're at the process of getting enough votes to break the 60- vote margin. >> with unemployment around 10%, some of the american people are worried sick about whether they will have a job tomorrow, whether they will be able to keep their home. some of them are sick and tired of us in congress spending and borrowing. washington has borrowed money that our children and
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grandchildren will have to pay back. this bill continues that reckless spending, but not in order to accomplish the ultimate goal, which is to hopefully bring down costs and make health care more accessible to more people. in fact, what we found confirmed by the congressional budget office today was that health insurance premiums will go up for people who currently have health coverage. in texas alone, 91% of the policyholders in texas will see their health insurance premiums go up because of mandates contained in this legislation. we can do much better than this. indeed, if we actually cared about doing it, we probably would have done it a decade ago. the ideas would actually bring down costs and make it more accessible. we could have a bipartisan bill that the senate -- that the president could sign and it would work for all americans. instead, we have seen a hyper partisan process.
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unfortunately, it will jeopardize the health care coverage that people have now. i will be glad to answer some questions. >> why did you suppress the discussion of single payer? you did it from day one. you blocked discussion. >> does anybody in the press corps have any questions? shepard: their you go. the person who did heckling their pointed out what the my way really was, single payer. we have gone from that to the public option. now there is no public option in all of this. as brit hume pointed out earlier, younger people who
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decided to pay a lot smaller penalty, they will not necessarily get and -- go back, please. i will pick it up. for those people who might not want health insurance because they feel healthy, they will not be in the system. that will make health care costs for everyone go up. this is far from the final chapter in all of this. we will start with the developing news and the facts as we know that right now. this is possibly the biggest step towards health care reform in this country in decades. the senate finance committee voted to send its version of an overhaul to the next legislative hurdle. it is a big hurdle. for now, at least do not worry about it. the final tally, 14 in favor of the measure, nine against it. today, senator olympia snowe, republican from maine became
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the first and only republican to be on board with any of the democrats' plans. she says that her support is not guaranteed down the road. listen. >> i say that my vote today is my vote today. it does not forecast what my vote will be tomorrow. shepard: just because she voted to move the bill along does not mean that she will vote for it once it gets to the full senate. the truth is, it may change. the finance committee's bill is one of five in congress right now. it is the only one without the so-called public option. so-called public option. democrats do not really think that they can get a public option through congress. here are some of the things that the bill does include.
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a requirement that everyone would have to buy health insurance. the penalties are not really fair. subsidies to help lower-income people help people and find those who cannot get it. the out of cash money is next. there are two ways to look at that as well. there is still a long way to go before any of it becomes a reality. walk us through what just happened in the committee today, if you please, jim. >> what you had was the last committee taking its last step towards everybody trying to put all of these bills together. as you said, 1st it happens -- first it has to happen in the senate. then the senate and the house have to get together and try to figure out how to take their
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respective bills and put them together. you have a long way to go on this. one of the things -- you talked about senator snowe and her saying that her vote today is not necessarily her vote tomorrow -- the reason for that, she wants to see how much the eventual bill will cost. she wants to wait until the congressional budget office sees how much the bill will cause. you could have limitless costs. look at it this it also has 38 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. we are not in a position financially to begin another entitlement that will run up those kinds of bills because we cannot pay the bills. so, you have people like senator snowe setting, "i want to know
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the price before i vote on the next round on this." shepard: we will listen to the democrats in a minute. john cornyn said that this is a my way or the highway thing. just two people before him said that what they want is single payer. if single payer was the my way, this is something else. we are so far from single payer, you cannot even see it. >> that is because there aren't the votes for it. there is not the money for single payer. that is what i was talking about with medicare. you have $38 trillion of federal liabilities. that is a question that a lot of people against the public option asked. kent conrad said that the problem if you do that public option is that you reimburse at medicare rates. a lot of places, you cannot get doctors to treat medicare
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patients because they pay so little. that is one of the problems with going to a single payer system. you have seen all kinds of random stories about people who cannot get treatment in canada. those are the kinds of things that people hear a lot about. that is the concern there. there just are not the votes in the senate to get even a public option, much less a single payer system. shepard: it depends on who you talk to and what their experiences have been. thank you very much. one is for sure. it has all become so complicated that a lot of people are, i'm for it, i am against it, and forget everything in the middle. that said, we will hear from both sides of the debate in just a minute. michael steele will be here, as well as senator bill nelson from the senate finance committee. each will be live on this
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program. the white house reaction just minutes away as well. we're expecting a democratic news conference. fair and balanced, as always.
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shepard: time for some white house reaction for the developing story of the hour, the passage of this particular version of the bill with one republican yes, sort of, from olympia snowe of maine. mike emanuel is at the white house. what is the reaction? >> robert gibbs did not want to get too far ahead, as you have been talking about. negotiations continue on how to merge these different bills together. we know that rahm emanuel, the white house chief of staff will be meeting some of the important officials. an important part of the step calling olimpia snow as someone who has worked constructively.
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robert gibbs said that he thought late last week. one interesting question that did come up moments ago in the briefing was, would you prefer bipartisanship or a public option? robert gibbs went back to the talking point of choice and competition the white house is happy with the step, but is taking a wait-and-see approach. we will obviously be engaged in negotiations. shepard: originally, the president had advocated for a single payer system. then he said he preferred -- actually, then he said that it was essential that we have a public option. and then he called that the preferable option. analysts are saying that he might actually sign something that would not include even a government-run option here. where is the president? he has been pretty noncommittal on this. >> he clearly wants a public option and would love this --
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love to sign the public option. the white house does not believe it has the 60 votes to get through the united states senate to sign a public option. the question is, do you accept what you can get? do you take what comes out of this process? all indications are that he would still love the public option and he would still push for it, but if the votes are not there, they are keeping an eye on the approach. shepard: if you do not have a mandate that has teeth in it so that young people did not get in, that means that there is not enough money in the system and sick people would drain a lot more than there is in the pool and costs would go up. without a check and balance there, could he make the argument that this is worse than what we have now? >> it will be interesting to see the communications strategy here. does he hear from some the
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democrats on capitol hill that it is just not happening? he met with the senator from indiana who is an important centrist democrat, perhaps getting his read on where things stand from his base of support in terms of midwestern moderates, on where we go from here. based on what he hears from him, may be making an assessment of where to go from here. shepard: michael steele will be with us in just a moment to give his assessment of all of this. bill nelson, the democrat from the state of florida who is on the finance committee will be our guest live as well. also coming up, most schools have guidelines about what students can and cannot bring into the classroom. has common sense just left the table? hundreds of people in one town are expected to attend a school board meeting to protest a penalty for violating a rule. a 6-year-old suspended because
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he bought -- he brought a cub scout issued camping utensil to school. can we still crossan for more -- can we still process information? do we say, that is it? my guess is that they will make some changes for that little boy tonight.
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shepard: healthcare countdown, we just got to the vote in the senate finance committee. it has voted to move its health- care reform bill on to the next step of the legislative process. so far, one republican has expressed support for the bill, senator olympia snowe. the rest of her party has been lining up against pretty much all of the health care reform bills that have been put together by democrats so far. they say they want the right health care reform that they did not do in the decade that they were in power. michael steele joins us live from the republican national committee studio in washington, d.c. it is great to see you. >> good to be with you. shepard: your thoughts on the bill that was passed by the senate finance committee bill today? >> i am disappointed that they still refuse to wear some of the american people want them to go.
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shepard: to a public option? the polls show that the american people want a public auction. >> ok. the reality of it is -- this bill that was just passed out house more government, more taxes. shepard: what are they looking for? >> i think they're looking for a comprehensive, slow growth approach. so, why do not require we not talking about portability? shepard: portability meaning buying across state lines, which is a legal right now. >> so, there are a lot of things -- we do not need a massive overhaul of our health-care system to do that. the democrats have an agenda. shepard: and the republicans do not? >> to do a health care system
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that involves more government, more regulation, more control of the federal level. republicans have argued from day one for hr3200 that dealt with it least those things that i mentioned. the reality of it is, we are at two different spots on the playing field. this bill does not do it. shepard: why are republicans against a public option? >> because it is government-run health care. shepard: it is not a government controlled. as it has been laid out, it would be a government -- >> you believe this, with all respect? [unintelligible] shepard: there's a satellites delay. it sounds like we're being mean to each other. the government-run or public
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option would be an effort to keep the costs down by allowing those who wanted to to come to the government option and not for profit option in an effort to keep costs down an offer an alternative. republicans are against that and i am curious why. the democrats say that it is because you are in the pockets of the insurance company. >> you did a great rendition -- shepard: i am telling you what they are saying. >> i think everything you just said is absolutely inaccurate. once the government gets its fingers in this particular pie, it is going to grab for more of it. if you are a small business owner and you have got the federal government that is going to pay the difference between your costs and what the employees pay, are you going to take a cost and keep it? you are going to tell your employees, you are on the public
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option. this idea that you are somehow going to have a choice -- that is not the case. the cost for people who need insurance is skyrocketing. let's address the cost. the administration has yet to come to the table to tell us how this is going to be paid for, what taxes are going to go up, and whether we will have to cut medicare or medicaid. all i am asking for is an honest debate. do not rush through another vote in the senate or the house and say that you are doing reform when all you are doing is growing government, increasing taxes, and spending money that people do not have. shepard: right now, we have a private health-care system that has been working well or not so well. one of the things about privately run anything is that
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when it is privately run, you go in and you pay for it and you get the benefits. this is america. people go to the emergency room at the last minute. they have not had health insurance. they have not gotten their liver taken care of. you go to the emergency room, we do not let you die on the table. we fix it. all of the rest of it is paid off for. it is kind of a flawed system to begin with. we're not going to let poor people die on the emergency room table. this is just not working. >> i agree with you. you are absolutely right. it is a flawed system to the extent that it has a human element that it recognizes is very important. we do not want people to be left on the streets or the side of the road to die. the reality of it is, there are ways where we can begin to deal
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with those people who have fallen below even the safety net through our medicaid system for the very poor, to make sure that they have access to that system. let's fix what is right in front of us instead of trying to remake it, we branded, redo it in a way that is going to cost more money, spend dollars we do not have, increase the size of the federal government, and put that dr. patient relationship behind us. shepard: have you spoken to senator snowe of maine? if not, what would you say to her? >> i have not had a chance to speak to the center today. i think i would say, i am disappointed in the vote. i think you know as well as i do that republicans very much want reform. we do not believe this is the kind of health care reform that is going to be in the best interest of the country.
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work with us to help us get the democrats on the right page here. this is just the first vote. it is one of many votes that can take place. people will see that this broadbased government grab of health care is not the way to do it. it is slow, -- shepard: those are the talking points, but it is not really true. >> that is honestly how i feel about that. i have seen the effects of it. i know ultimately what it means for my mother and for me. shepard: before we go, you have a new website that the democrats are making fun of it. what is this new website? >> it is a new platform for us. it is a platform for people to get engaged with the gop. i said i wanted to take this party to the streets. i wanted to be a part of the vibrant communities that are
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america. we have done that in a very creative way. we have launched it. we are working out a lot of ups kinks. go play and have some fun with it. it is a new tool to communicate. shepard: thank you, michael steele.
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shepard: will come back. we just heard from michael steele on health care reform
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bill that has just passed the senate finance committee with one republican voting with the democrats. one of the members of the senate finance committee is senator bill nelson, a democrat from the state of florida. he joins us live from capitol hill where he has cast his vote. thank you for being here. >> good afternoon. shepard: how do you feel about the bill that was just voted in the affirmative? >> i cannot say it any better. you said in your last interview. the system is not working. we have got to change it. this is an attempt at health- care reform. shepard: do you think it is a good attempt? >> at the end of the day, you are trying to make health insurance available and affordable. i think that this is a good first step in trying to achieve that. shepard: if you look at the analysis of this thing, if you tell everybody has to put money
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in april will and that when people get sick, you can take it out and that will ensure you, but you young people have to be involved because you are not going to get sick, but that is not what you did. you took the mandates out, to penalties down. this thing looks like a bigger mess than what we had before. >> i agree with the public option. shepard: what did you vote for it? >> we already have the public option and i voted for that. when we get to the floor, i think we will get that. your argument in the previous interview for a public auction was as good an argument that i have ever heard. shepard: i took it from your page. >> you also pointed out, what about these 46 million people who are uninsured? they get health care. they get it at the most expensive place, which is the emergency room. they get it at the most expensive time. for all the rest of us, we are
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paying about $1,000 a year on our health insurance premiums to take care of those folks. let's bring them into the system. let's get them in short. that will lower our premiums on all the rest of it. shepard: this bill does not do that. >> it does a large part of that. shepard: if i am a 22-year-old with no health problems and i have to pay a small fine, i pay the fine. the minute i get really sick, then i get the insurance. that might be 10 or 15 years from now this thing just looks like an absolute disaster for anyone who is kind of sick and needs health care insurance. >> i beg to disagree. now if this becomes law, that 22-year-old is going to have the option of getting it, where they do not have it now. especially that 42-year-old or that 52-year-old war that 62-
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year-old who does not have it. shepard: it looks as if the democrats are saying that we started off with a single payer. then he president obama said it is essential that we have the public option. then he said it would be better if we had a public auction. now he said he would prefer if we had a public auction. now there is no public option. you have taken a system that was kind of working and have brought in a system that will not work unless you have tens of thousands of dollars. >> be patient, shepard. when we get to the floor, we are going to try to get that public option and we are going to try to tighten up some of those subsidies and those penalties that you are all concerned about.
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it least this is the first step. you had to get through this step in order to get the bill to the floor. then to go through the debate process. as you know, we have to get through the 60-vote threshold. that is going to be a cliffhanger. shepard: how in the world can you concoct a scenario in your mind when you can convince enough people, including moderate democrats who are largely campaign funded by the insurance industry to come up with a public option? it looks like a pipe dream or a pipe nightmare, depending on what your perspective is. >> the majority leader is going to have to be houdini. he is going to have to get the votes. shepard: there is a lot going on out there. is this thing progressing in a way that you had hoped? >> to get it out of a committee with a substantial vote, yes. shepard: if i had asked that
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question two months ago, you would not say that. there is no mandate, there is no long-term anything here. it is sort of a start. is it just so you can tell your base, we are trying? >> does this bill do more good than it does with all of these distractions that you are talking about? my answer to that is clearly yes. that is why i voted for it. that is why 14 of us voted for it in only nine voted against it in the committee. shepard: and conservatives who would say that a government takeover is a nightmare, you say what? >> that is simply not true. if we get the public option, when we get on the floor -- this is just for about 25% of the marketplace. if we get it, it will be a government, nonprofit insurance company that will compete with all the other insurance companies just like they do in
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the marketplace. same rules. shepard: ex of for the nonprofit is not for profit. the one that needs to make a profit goes out of business then, right? >> you are arguing against yourself. shepard: i do not have this store -- i do not have an opinion 3. >> if you leave legislators to their own devices, they mature -- the ones and leave -- we do have a competitor in the marketplace. 75% already have their health care, either medicare, medicaid, or the group health employer market. we are talking about a small percentage. that is where we're going to get all of these uninsured people and the people who have single policies, not group policies. a half to in -- they cannot afford the policies. we will give them new life.
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i think the president is very pleased. his rep. has been up here. this is a necessary step in the process. shepard: but you do not think we are there? >> state-owned. shepard: we are going to stay tuned. that was impressive. >> it was. shepard: the wildcat, senator bill nelson from florida. brand new details today involving controversy around this cub scout -- you have heard about this cubs scout. suspended from school because he brought his cub scout knife and
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spoon to school. his parents getting ready for a battle at tonight's school board build -- school board meeting. he's 6 years old. he is not a gang member in high school who is out selling drugs. he is a 6-year-old who loved his new spoon.
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suspended from school of -- over that cub scout utensil. it has a red handle and it is a fork, knife, spoon. the family is expected to fight the verdict, 45 days in reform school. there is in his hand. there is the little boy. he is holding a camping utensil. he was so excited for having that thing, he wanted to take it to class. his school says accurately, it violates the note tolerance weapons policy. that is really the question about all of this. does that mean no thinking? the district ordered him to attend reform school for 45 days. the school is part of the christina school district in delaware. there is no argument that he did not break the rules. it is the punishment that has.
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all worked up. >> there is a zero tolerance policy that says no weapons may be brought to school. this could be conceived as a weapon. if you look at it, there has been of lot of talk of a being a fork and spoon. very clearly, it is a knife. it could clearly damage someone deliberately or in an accident. he did break the school rules. 45 days in the district school for troubled students, is that the right punishment for a 6- year-old? shepard: his parents said that they never would have thought of his campaign to as a weapon. it is a fork and spoon, not a cub scout thing. >> according to the parents, this was a 6-year-old excited about a new position that he had. he wanted to show his friends. they put up a web site that includes this vary q video of
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zachary. they are trying to generate a lot of support for him. they basically say that this is a sweet young kid. he does his homework on time. he just wanted to go to school and show his friends. listen to what the mother says. >> he is a straight a kit, onna roll permit never did anything wrong. he picked it up, put it in his pocket on the way out. >> that is the argument that they will put forth at the school board meeting. shepard: what is the school districts saying? quote the school district is saying, he broke the rules. every kid is given the school code of conduct. we found that school code of conduct. it does say very clearly the stuff that you cannot bring. he did break the rules. they are admitting that they may have overstepped the mark in
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giving him this 45-day suspension and placing him in the school for troubled kids. they just sent this statement saying that they will consider an amendment that will basically break out kindergartners and first grade students in say that if they break the rules, they will be subject to a three-five day suspension. shepard: a suspension for what? >> for breaking the rules. rules are rules. es deal with it, as our producer says. my mother is a teacher. shepard: all right. you are condemning him to a life -- we will let the school board -- >> i am not condemning him to anything. i'm just saying, obey the rules. i will be suspended four days.
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shepard: it is great to see you. critics call this next one invasion of privacy. the fbi says that the contract down criminals by using this software to scan millions of drivers license photos. the have a picture of somebody and they know it to somebody who did a bad thing. they go through all the driver's licenses to look for that person. does that include your photo?
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shepard: the fbi says that it has a high-tech way to find criminals trees can the driver's license photos. -- use cannot the driver's license photos. there are sizing up the official figures like chan and wit and nose shape and all of that. within seconds, it turns up possible matches to it wanted suspects or fugitive. the property the project started in north carolina. the fbi as it considers expanding this -- critics are saying, tracking millions of people who have done nothing wrong is a major violation of their privacy. with us now is the senior judicial analyst, judge andrew
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napolitano. why not look through all the files? >> you could do that if the picture was a public picture or a picture from a newspaper. if the picture was private like your id on your driver's license, the government cannot look through it without a search warrant. it is doing it, but it is violating the law. the government says that if it wants something from you or about you, it has to go to a judge and ask for a search warrant in has to prove that whoever is holding these records have evidence of crime. the congress is about to mandate a bar code that will cut your medical history on it.
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would lose privacy with every tick of the clock. the government must obey its own songs. -- its own rules. the constitution says he will not do this without permission of a judge. let's say they go through and they find it through there. if a judge agrees with them -- honestly, this has never been tested before because we just learned that it happened. someone is prosecuted on the basis of information obtained illegally. the prosecution gets thrown out or the evidence that they obtained, they cannot use against this person. now the fbi may be stuck with somebody going free because they broke the law in the manner of
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obtaining evidence against him. my advice to them, follow the law and your oath to uphold the law. it may be more work, but it is legal. shepard: is it similar to torturing to get information? >> it is the same principle that a guilty person will go free when the police knowingly violate their rights. that has been a lot of the land in this country since world war ii. shepard: the u.s. is working to drum up support for plans to take action against iran over its nuclear program. the white house is asking for help from the russians. they may not get what they are looking for. details coming up. .
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shepard: secretary of state hillary clinton is in moscow trying to shore up a tough first -- tougher stance on iran. turns out moscow might not be on board. i wonder why. as you know, the obama administration has been looking to impose tougher sanctions on iran should the regime continued to dodge questions about the nuclear program. shannon is in washington, d.c.
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with details. did secretary clinton have any luck? >> she met with sergei lavov and based on their talks it sounds like they are still on different pages. he apparently believes that sanctions would be counterproductive. here is what secretary clinton had to say. >> we believe that iran is entitled to peaceful nuclear energy. but that they are not entitled to nuclear weapons. russia agrees with us on that. >> they do not agree on how to make sure -- make sure on making -- do not agree on how to make sure that iran is staying true to their obligations. we are getting some mixed messages. a couple of weeks ago dimitri medvedev told president obama
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that in some set -- in some cases yes, sanctions are going to be inevitable. on the other hand, you have got vladimir putin, many folks think he is controlling the country still, and the message we are getting is that he is still controlling punitive measures. shepard: thank you. elvis presley fans collected his memorabilia. pretty soon someone will have a chance to get a real piece of the king for real. "fox & friends" is back -- "studio b" is back in two minutes.
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shepard: in florida, the case of a teenage girl who ran away from home because she said that her muslim parents would hurt her because she converted to christianity. the judge has ordered the 17 year ash -- 17-year-old rifqa bary back to ohio. the judge has not made it clear as to whether she would have to return to hear parents home or get in the state's care. rifqa bary became involved with a christian group online before running away to florida. she said that she would be the victim of an honor killing if the court makes her return home, but the parents say she has been brainwashed, that they would not hurt her. investigators say they have
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found no reason to believe she would be in any danger with her parents. elvis fans calling elvis presley the king years after his death. auctioneers are hoping that someone will pay big bucks for a clump of his hair. there you go. part of a collection of elvis items hitting the auction block. experts are authenticated it with a dna test. experts say that it could go for as much as $12,000. then there is this before we wrap it up here in "studio b." you should not get emotional when you are buying and selling stocks, right? but when you are watching prices bounced up and down, that can be tough. phillips and electronics has developed something called a rationalizer. is a bracelet that

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